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[Music]

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welcome back to the UFO Rabbit Hole

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podcast I'm your host Kelly Chase

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as I'm sure most of you are already

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aware we are just a few days away from a

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major milestone in the fight for UFO

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transparency with a hearing set to take

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place in the house next week we've seen

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startling progress over the past few

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weeks with regards to elected officials

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speaking openly about the seriousness

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and the urgency of the allegations made

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by various UFO whistleblowers who have

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already spoken under oath to Congress

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and with a new hearing date set for next

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week it certainly feels like the dam is

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beginning to break

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and with this momentum has come a

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certain frenetic energy confirmation

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bias and emotions are high while good

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quality new information has been low and

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into that space has arisen an escalating

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wave of wild news stories and theories

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fueled by a toxic combination of

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opportunistic trolls looking for their

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72 hours of Reddit Fame and more

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vulnerable folks who have a hard time

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separating out their own head cannon

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from the facts in short it's been Wild

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on UFO Twitter these last few weeks and

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so I've been endeavoring to protect my

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peace and mind my business until there

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was something of substance to comment on

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and so frankly I wasn't expecting to do

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an episode on the lead up to the

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hearings because I didn't want to add to

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the noise

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but all that changed on Thursday morning

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with a press conference about the

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upcoming hearing as expected the

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witnesses for the hearing were announced

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during this press conference what wasn't

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expected were the stunning allegations

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made by a bipartisan group of House

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Representatives about the extreme levels

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of pushback in stonewalling that they

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have encountered while trying to do

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their jobs and investigating the claims

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made by whistleblowers regarding secret

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UFO crash retrieval programs the

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significance of what's being alleged by

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members of Congress as we head into next

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week's historic hearings really can't be

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overstated and I think it's important

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that we take some time to talk about

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what it all might mean and what we can

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expect both from next week's hearings

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and from the ongoing disclosure movement

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in the months ahead so I promise that I

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will get part three of the waking up

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inside the cave series to all of you as

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soon as possible but for right now

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especially with so many new people

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coming to this conversation every day I

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think it's important to put first things

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so let's talk about this press

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congress's most outspoken advocates for

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UAP transparency Congressman Tim

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burchett from Tennessee he was joined by

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it was announced that the hearing will

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on National Security at the border and

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Foreign Affairs next week on Wednesday

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July 26th at 10 A.M so mark your

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calendars and as a side note we'll be

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doing a patron only Zoom call that

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evening at 8 pm Eastern to debrief and

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talk everything through you can find all

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the information at patreon.com UFO

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the witnesses for this hearing will be

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as follows first up we have David grush

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David grush is a decorated former combat

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officer with an extensive career in

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intelligence including 14 years devoted

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to advancing American Security through

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covert operations he has served in key

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positions at two critical U.S government

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agencies the National geospatial

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Intelligence Agency or the NGA and the

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national reconnaissance office or the

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nro where he focused on UAP analysis and

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officer at the nro from 2016 to 2021

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director's Daily Briefing to the

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president and represented the nro in the

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UAP task force in June of 2023 David

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officials some of whom he'd known his

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information about secret UFO crash

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retrieval programs operating without

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oversight in the Department of Defense

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next up we have David fraver Commander

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David fraver is a retired U.S Navy pilot

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Nimitz incident in 2004. this event

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gained significant attention as fraver

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known as the Tic Tac during a routine

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training Mission off the coast of San

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Diego his account and subsequent

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discussions have played a critical role

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in the ongoing conversations and

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investigations regarding uap's in both

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military and civilian circles

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and finally we have Ryan Graves Ryan

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fa-18 pilot notable for being the first

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active duty pilot to approach Congress

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about uaps after his service he assumed

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the role of executive director of

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non-profit organization led by military

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Pilots which focuses on Aerospace safety

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National Security and uaps an advocate

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for transparency regarding uap's Graves

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hosting the merged podcast where he

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explores issues related to UAP

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transparency

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that were made during this press

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talk about the witnesses after

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timberchet teased last week that the

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of witnesses and that he planned to call

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as many as six of them there's been a

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ton of speculation about who these

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obviously grush has always been presumed

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to be one of the witnesses but in light

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of Marco Rubio's recent Revelation that

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more high-ranking whistleblowers with

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first-hand knowledge of special access

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crash retrieval programs had spoken to

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Congress and corroborated grush's claims

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many had been hoping to see one or more

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of these individuals go on the record

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with the American public other names

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particular former atip director Lou

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Elizondo who tweeted that he would be in

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DC later this month in short

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expectations around who might be

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testifying have been running High

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there were inevitably a lot of people

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expressing that they felt let down and

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even outright concerned about the names

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that were given and the usual voices

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from the debunker crowd were quick to

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claim that this was evidence that the

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case made by the whistleblowers wasn't

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that strong after all if it's a slam

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dunk why not put them on the stand

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obviously the importance of this hearing

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can't be overstated it took us 80 years

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genuine fear in the community especially

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the history of this field that if we

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miss this opportunity to drag the truth

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about UFOs into the light that it could

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be buried for another 80 years or more

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the stakes are high and so I do think

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that it's important for us to

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acknowledge and understand the concerns

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that have been raised and if we're going

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to be objective we need to be able to

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ask ourselves the uncomfortable

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questions that inevitably arise

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so what is it exactly that has people

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favor and graves are all individuals

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that we've heard from before

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gresh has obviously been in the media

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over the last month with his claims

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about alleged secret UFO crash retrieval

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programs David fraver and Ryan graves

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are both well known in the UFO Community

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having been featured in multiple

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documentaries television shows and

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appearing on podcasts so the question is

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will their testimonies add to the

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conversation or will it just be more of

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the same another concern that's been

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raised is that none of these Witnesses

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has first-hand knowledge of the alleged

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crash retrieval programs as much as

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people have been excited for grush to

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testify in this hearing the reality is

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that he's only claimed to have

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second-hand knowledge of these alleged

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programs The Hope was that some of the

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other whistleblowers with first-hand

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knowledge would be stepping forward to

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corroborate his story and it feels

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unlikely that we could gain much

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traction with this current push for

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transparency if we don't at some point

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get that corroboration so the question

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is why would they wait

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for their parts fraver and Graves have

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never indicated that they had knowledge

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of Crash retrieval programs at all they

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were both present for Infamous and

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well-documented UAP sightings and both

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have spoken out to advocate for greater

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transparency around the issue but it

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seems unlikely that anything that they

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would have to share in the hearings

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would be able to directly corroborate

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grush's specific claims about these

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programs so the question is why aren't

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they calling Witnesses who can move this

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story forward

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been what happened to the whistleblowers

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high-level whistleblowers with

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secret programs had spoken to Congress

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and corroborated Russia's claims

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so the most glaring question of all is

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where are they why aren't they

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testifying

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and these are all extremely valid and

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important questions and to answer them

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we need to put all of this into context

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from what was said at the press

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conference to the recent developments

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we've been hearing out of Washington

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let's start by talking about the goal of

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this hearing and why Tim burchett says

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that this one is going to be different

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thus far we've had two public hearings

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on UFOs one in May of 2022 and one in

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April of 2023 and while both of those

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hearings marked major milestones in the

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push for disclosure neither of them did

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much to move the needle burchett said in

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Thursday's press conference that the

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goal is for this hearing to be different

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specifically he called out past

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Witnesses calling them bureaucrats from

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the Pentagon who answered every question

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with either I don't know or that's

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classified this hearing is going to be

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different he said we're going to have

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witnesses that can speak frankly to the

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public about their experiences

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another reason that these hearings are

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likely to be different is that they are

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taking place at a time when Congress is

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taking this issue seriously in a way

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that they frankly haven't before

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just in the last week Senate Majority

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Leader Chuck Schumer along with a

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bipartisan group of five Senators

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introduced new legislation intended to

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require greater transparency with regard

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to the UFO phenomenon

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clearly influenced by the recent

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whistleblower allegations by Gretch and

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others this bill goes as far as to

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suggest that the U.S government or

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private contractors May possess

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recovered UFOs and quote biological

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evidence of living or deceased non-human

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intelligence

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the legislation states that a

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comprehensive investigation has revealed

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numerous individuals and groups who

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claim knowledge of secret UAP related

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programs some lawmakers believe this

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points to the U.S government concealing

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substantial UAP information not just

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from the public but from the

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constitutionally required oversight of

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Congress to address this the proposed

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legislation calls for the establishment

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of an independent nine-member agency

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that would gather review and declassify

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UAP records all government UFO documents

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would be subject to immediate public

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disclosure if the bill passes

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the legislation goes beyond just

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transparency as it also stipulates that

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any recovered UFOs and non-human

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intelligence held by private entities

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must be transferred to the U.S

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government in the public interest

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additionally a quote controlled

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disclosure campaign Plan was introduced

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which would schedule the release of

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sensitive UAP documents with the

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president holding the final Authority on

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disclosure

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in short this is serious legislation

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being brought forward by a bipartisan

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group of senators who have created very

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pointed legislation in response to the

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information that's being brought to them

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by whistleblowers

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that's a level of Engagement and

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investment that we simply haven't seen

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from all but a handful of

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Representatives in Congress until now

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and so there's reason to hope that these

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hearings could have the kind of impacts

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that could really move the needle on

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disclosure but if we're seeing this kind

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of momentum from Congress then why

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aren't we seeing more whistleblowers

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testifying after all aren't there

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supposed to be whistleblower Protections

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in place

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in December Landmark legislation was

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passed as part of the 2023 National

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Defense authorization act which offered

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protection to UFO whistleblowers who

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wanted to come forward to talk to

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Congress about what they know the law

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Shields these individuals from legal

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action that could arise from breaking

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confidentiality agreements related to

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these secrets and it covers both

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government employees and people working

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for private companies involved in UAP

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research and development one part of the

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law creates a safe way for

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whistleblowers to share information with

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members of Congress who have a legal

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right to this knowledge the law also

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includes a provision that protects

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whistleblowers from retaliation or

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punishment such as losing their jobs or

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security clearances for revealing this

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information

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and yet according to timberjet and

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others in Congress whistleblowers are

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still dealing with intimidation and

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threats in Thursday's press conference

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he alleged that whistleblowers had

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backed out of testifying after the

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Pentagon opened inquiries into them that

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could threaten their jobs and clearances

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he also alleged that so-called

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debriefings of whistleblowers who had

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spoken to Congress involved eight-hour

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long interrogations and later on news

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Nation he told Chris Cuomo that some

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Pilots had destroyed evidence after

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being interrogated by Pentagon officials

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in order to protect their jobs

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if the allegations of intimidation and

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reprisals against whistleblowers are

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true it doesn't just explain why it is

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that we won't be seeing any new

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whistleblowers in this week's hearing

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against for speaking up the fact that

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Law above the oversight of Congress and

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therefore above the Constitution not

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only does this element have no problem

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with brazenly disobeying the law but the

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whistleblowers who have come forward not

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only deem the threats against them to be

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credible but they seemingly don't

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believe that Congress currently has the

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ability to protect them

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and those fears at least at this point

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don't appear to be unfounded Congress is

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currently facing substantial obstacles

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and stonewalling in their efforts to

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investigate whistleblower claims related

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to UFOs and alleged crash retrieval

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programs in Thursday's press conference

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Tim birchett alleged they'd receive

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pushback from members of Congress the

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Pentagon members of the intelligence

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community and even NASA burchett alleges

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that the opposition that they are

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encountering is so considerable that its

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impeding progress on legislative

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measures

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one such instance is the failed attempt

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to introduce an amendment that would

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have mandated the Federal Aviation

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Administration to report sightings of

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UAP by commercial airline pilots to

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Congress

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the amendment met significant resistance

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and burchett claims that it was

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ultimately shut down by the intelligence

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community

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in Thursday's press conference

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representative Anna Paulina Luna also

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alleged that they have faced

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considerable resistance from military

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officials when seeking details on uaps

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in response to whistleblower allegations

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the Pentagon reportedly thwarted an

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arranged meeting with Pilots about their

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UAP encounters at a Florida Air Force

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Base where members of Congress were

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promised access to sensitive information

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Luna made a firm stand stating if the

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department of the Air Force if the

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Pentagon thinks that they're above

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Congress they have something else coming

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to them

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all right so now that we have all that

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important context let's talk about what

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might be going on here we know that

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several high-ranking whistleblowers with

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first-hand knowledge of Crash retrieval

559
00:20:58,310 --> 00:20:56,220
programs have already spoken to Congress

560
00:21:00,110 --> 00:20:58,320
and corroborated the claims made last

561
00:21:02,029 --> 00:21:00,120
month by David grush

562
00:21:04,310 --> 00:21:02,039
this information was compelling enough

563
00:21:06,650 --> 00:21:04,320
to prompt an exceedingly rare bipartisan

564
00:21:08,870 --> 00:21:06,660
push for greater transparency with the

565
00:21:10,970 --> 00:21:08,880
introduction of new legislation and the

566
00:21:13,130 --> 00:21:10,980
scheduling of next week's hearing

567
00:21:14,870 --> 00:21:13,140
however in investigating these claims

568
00:21:16,730 --> 00:21:14,880
members of Congress have experienced

569
00:21:18,350 --> 00:21:16,740
significant pushback and whistleblowers

570
00:21:20,450 --> 00:21:18,360
continue to be intimidated and

571
00:21:22,070 --> 00:21:20,460
retaliated against despite the

572
00:21:25,730 --> 00:21:22,080
legislation in place that's meant to

573
00:21:28,010 --> 00:21:25,740
protect them if true this represents a

574
00:21:30,409 --> 00:21:28,020
clear and existential threat to both our

575
00:21:32,750 --> 00:21:30,419
country and to our democracy

576
00:21:34,789 --> 00:21:32,760
but Congress is facing an even bigger

577
00:21:36,890 --> 00:21:34,799
Challenge and it's one that they're

578
00:21:39,230 --> 00:21:36,900
going to need to overcome before they

579
00:21:41,330 --> 00:21:39,240
have a prayer of taking on this shadowy

580
00:21:43,190 --> 00:21:41,340
Rogue element within the government that

581
00:21:44,810 --> 00:21:43,200
has managed to evade constitutionally

582
00:21:47,090 --> 00:21:44,820
required oversight

583
00:21:49,730 --> 00:21:47,100
and that problem is that for the vast

584
00:21:52,789 --> 00:21:49,740
majority of Americans this story isn't

585
00:21:54,770 --> 00:21:52,799
even on their radar in an era defined by

586
00:21:56,750 --> 00:21:54,780
unprecedented challenges the challenge

587
00:21:59,090 --> 00:21:56,760
currently before us might be the

588
00:22:01,250 --> 00:21:59,100
greatest we faced as a nation so far

589
00:22:03,409 --> 00:22:01,260
and the reality is that Congress is

590
00:22:05,630 --> 00:22:03,419
going to need the collective will of the

591
00:22:07,610 --> 00:22:05,640
American people behind them if they're

592
00:22:09,950 --> 00:22:07,620
going to have any hope of dragging these

593
00:22:11,450 --> 00:22:09,960
secret programs and the truth about UFOs

594
00:22:13,850 --> 00:22:11,460
into the light

595
00:22:16,190 --> 00:22:13,860
but again most people have no idea this

596
00:22:18,350 --> 00:22:16,200
is even happening and sure that I don't

597
00:22:20,149 --> 00:22:18,360
need to tell that to any of you I hear

598
00:22:22,010 --> 00:22:20,159
from listeners and other people in the

599
00:22:24,169 --> 00:22:22,020
community every day and although our

600
00:22:26,149 --> 00:22:24,179
numbers are growing rapidly the thing I

601
00:22:28,610 --> 00:22:26,159
hear most from people is how frustrating

602
00:22:30,409 --> 00:22:28,620
and isolating it can be when most of the

603
00:22:32,390 --> 00:22:30,419
people in your life are not ready to

604
00:22:34,669 --> 00:22:32,400
have a discussion about the presence of

605
00:22:35,510 --> 00:22:34,679
UFOs and non-human Intelligence on this

606
00:22:38,330 --> 00:22:35,520
planet

607
00:22:39,590 --> 00:22:38,340
and as frustrating as that can be I

608
00:22:41,090 --> 00:22:39,600
don't think that we can really blame

609
00:22:42,649 --> 00:22:41,100
people for their lack of interest and

610
00:22:44,930 --> 00:22:42,659
willingness to engage on this subject

611
00:22:47,810 --> 00:22:44,940
for our entire lives we've been told

612
00:22:49,789 --> 00:22:47,820
that UFOs aren't real that stories about

613
00:22:51,890 --> 00:22:49,799
contact with non-human intelligence were

614
00:22:53,930 --> 00:22:51,900
ridiculous and that anyone who

615
00:22:56,630 --> 00:22:53,940
entertained these ideas as being in any

616
00:22:58,909 --> 00:22:56,640
way legitimate is either mentally ill or

617
00:23:00,830 --> 00:22:58,919
a liar and it's not like people don't

618
00:23:03,110 --> 00:23:00,840
have any other existential threats on

619
00:23:04,909 --> 00:23:03,120
their plates right now anxieties over

620
00:23:07,010 --> 00:23:04,919
everything from the economy to the

621
00:23:09,529 --> 00:23:07,020
election to nuclear reward climate

622
00:23:11,870 --> 00:23:09,539
change to the rise of AI are at all time

623
00:23:13,730 --> 00:23:11,880
highs it's not surprising that people

624
00:23:14,930 --> 00:23:13,740
aren't exactly rushing to take this

625
00:23:17,330 --> 00:23:14,940
seriously

626
00:23:19,010 --> 00:23:17,340
but it leaves Congress in a serious bind

627
00:23:20,149 --> 00:23:19,020
in terms of making progress in their

628
00:23:22,610 --> 00:23:20,159
investigation

629
00:23:24,830 --> 00:23:22,620
how do you talk about secret UFO crash

630
00:23:27,590 --> 00:23:24,840
retrieval programs and the dangers of

631
00:23:29,570 --> 00:23:27,600
asymmetric technological advantages with

632
00:23:31,789 --> 00:23:29,580
people who don't believe that UFOs exist

633
00:23:34,250 --> 00:23:31,799
and who carry a bunch of inaccurate

634
00:23:36,590 --> 00:23:34,260
ideas instilled by the media about what

635
00:23:38,270 --> 00:23:36,600
they might be even if they did

636
00:23:40,669 --> 00:23:38,280
imagine you're a member of Congress

637
00:23:42,649 --> 00:23:40,679
who's trying to game this out what would

638
00:23:44,690 --> 00:23:42,659
you do given this set of challenges and

639
00:23:45,710 --> 00:23:44,700
constraints how would you move the ball

640
00:23:47,570 --> 00:23:45,720
forward

641
00:23:49,669 --> 00:23:47,580
when you start to think about it this

642
00:23:51,169 --> 00:23:49,679
way the choices being made about the

643
00:23:53,810 --> 00:23:51,179
witnesses for next week's hearings

644
00:23:56,210 --> 00:23:53,820
suddenly start to make a lot more sense

645
00:23:57,890 --> 00:23:56,220
the whistleblowers besides Rush aren't

646
00:23:59,570 --> 00:23:57,900
in play right now and they are likely

647
00:24:02,210 --> 00:23:59,580
going to need more assurances to come

648
00:24:04,070 --> 00:24:02,220
forward publicly that means that they're

649
00:24:06,590 --> 00:24:04,080
going to be looking at Congress and to

650
00:24:08,870 --> 00:24:06,600
the American public to see how these

651
00:24:11,029 --> 00:24:08,880
hearings are received if these

652
00:24:13,010 --> 00:24:11,039
Revelations are met with crickets and if

653
00:24:14,390 --> 00:24:13,020
Congress isn't able to signal that they

654
00:24:15,890 --> 00:24:14,400
are going to be able to hold those

655
00:24:18,409 --> 00:24:15,900
retaliating against whistleblowers

656
00:24:20,390 --> 00:24:18,419
accountable then there is no motivation

657
00:24:22,250 --> 00:24:20,400
for them to come forward they'd be

658
00:24:23,990 --> 00:24:22,260
risking their careers and perhaps even

659
00:24:25,549 --> 00:24:24,000
their lives for an initiative that's

660
00:24:28,010 --> 00:24:25,559
destined to fail

661
00:24:30,950 --> 00:24:28,020
so Congress needs to do two things with

662
00:24:33,049 --> 00:24:30,960
this hearing first they need to make as

663
00:24:35,210 --> 00:24:33,059
much noise as possible and do everything

664
00:24:37,310 --> 00:24:35,220
in their power to get the reality of the

665
00:24:38,510 --> 00:24:37,320
UFO phenomenon on the radar of the

666
00:24:40,850 --> 00:24:38,520
American people

667
00:24:42,770 --> 00:24:40,860
and secondly they need to show that

668
00:24:44,630 --> 00:24:42,780
there is enough Collective will within

669
00:24:46,370 --> 00:24:44,640
Congress to effectively pursue this

670
00:24:48,710 --> 00:24:46,380
investigation and to hold people

671
00:24:51,289 --> 00:24:48,720
accountable in terms of Point number one

672
00:24:53,990 --> 00:24:51,299
I'd argue that David grosh David fraver

673
00:24:56,450 --> 00:24:54,000
and Ryan graves are the right witnesses

674
00:24:58,310 --> 00:24:56,460
to be taking the stand next week and I

675
00:24:59,870 --> 00:24:58,320
think that remains true even if the

676
00:25:01,010 --> 00:24:59,880
other whistleblowers were willing to

677
00:25:03,590 --> 00:25:01,020
participate

678
00:25:05,210 --> 00:25:03,600
hear me out while it's true that the

679
00:25:06,950 --> 00:25:05,220
legislation that was passed in December

680
00:25:08,270 --> 00:25:06,960
makes it possible for whistleblowers to

681
00:25:11,149 --> 00:25:08,280
come forward with what they know to

682
00:25:13,010 --> 00:25:11,159
Congress what it doesn't do is allow for

683
00:25:15,049 --> 00:25:13,020
people with classified information about

684
00:25:17,090 --> 00:25:15,059
special access programs to share that

685
00:25:19,130 --> 00:25:17,100
information directly with the public

686
00:25:21,409 --> 00:25:19,140
as Tim burchett said in Thursday's press

687
00:25:23,149 --> 00:25:21,419
conference it does them no good to put

688
00:25:25,970 --> 00:25:23,159
people on the stand who can only answer

689
00:25:27,950 --> 00:25:25,980
questions with its classified that would

690
00:25:30,169 --> 00:25:27,960
only further money the waters and would

691
00:25:32,390 --> 00:25:30,179
likely fail to get anyone's attention

692
00:25:34,549 --> 00:25:32,400
what we need right now are people who

693
00:25:37,310 --> 00:25:34,559
can speak frankly and openly to the

694
00:25:39,169 --> 00:25:37,320
American people about what they know and

695
00:25:41,330 --> 00:25:39,179
while the secret UFO crash retrieval

696
00:25:43,789 --> 00:25:41,340
programs are the primary focus of the

697
00:25:45,890 --> 00:25:43,799
larger investigation what's most

698
00:25:47,750 --> 00:25:45,900
important in terms of this first hearing

699
00:25:50,090 --> 00:25:47,760
is that the case is made to the public

700
00:25:51,649 --> 00:25:50,100
that UFOs are real and that the

701
00:25:53,210 --> 00:25:51,659
government has been engaged in an

702
00:25:54,769 --> 00:25:53,220
extensive cover-up

703
00:25:57,230 --> 00:25:54,779
unlike the whistleblowers that have

704
00:25:59,570 --> 00:25:57,240
spoken to Congress David fraver and Ryan

705
00:26:01,850 --> 00:25:59,580
graves are able to talk about what they

706
00:26:04,430 --> 00:26:01,860
know they have first-hand experience

707
00:26:06,710 --> 00:26:04,440
with uaps interfering with U.S military

708
00:26:09,649 --> 00:26:06,720
operations and with how the government

709
00:26:11,570 --> 00:26:09,659
responds to such incidents and best of

710
00:26:13,490 --> 00:26:11,580
all the incidents that they witnessed

711
00:26:15,710 --> 00:26:13,500
and the associated videos that have been

712
00:26:18,350 --> 00:26:15,720
released to the public aren't classified

713
00:26:20,390 --> 00:26:18,360
so they can go on the record

714
00:26:21,769 --> 00:26:20,400
for members of the UFO Community who've

715
00:26:24,110 --> 00:26:21,779
been following this story for a while

716
00:26:26,570 --> 00:26:24,120
fraver engraves are known quantities

717
00:26:28,070 --> 00:26:26,580
we've heard their stories but it's

718
00:26:31,250 --> 00:26:28,080
important to remember that most

719
00:26:32,630 --> 00:26:31,260
Americans have it and if they have they

720
00:26:35,149 --> 00:26:32,640
certainly haven't heard them in the

721
00:26:36,950 --> 00:26:35,159
context of a congressional hearing the

722
00:26:38,930 --> 00:26:36,960
accounts of these two men are compelling

723
00:26:41,570 --> 00:26:38,940
and important to laying the necessary

724
00:26:43,909 --> 00:26:41,580
foundation for this larger conversation

725
00:26:45,529 --> 00:26:43,919
and as for David Crush as we discussed

726
00:26:47,330 --> 00:26:45,539
in the initial episode about his

727
00:26:49,850 --> 00:26:47,340
whistleblower allegations which you can

728
00:26:51,710 --> 00:26:49,860
find linked in the episode brief he is

729
00:26:53,870 --> 00:26:51,720
uniquely positioned to speak frankly

730
00:26:56,210 --> 00:26:53,880
with the American people as well

731
00:26:58,250 --> 00:26:56,220
a few months ago grush submitted his

732
00:27:00,409 --> 00:26:58,260
statements regarding information that he

733
00:27:02,149 --> 00:27:00,419
received about secret UFO crash

734
00:27:04,130 --> 00:27:02,159
retrieval programs operating without

735
00:27:07,070 --> 00:27:04,140
oversight to the Department of Defense

736
00:27:08,090 --> 00:27:07,080
and in April the dod cleared his

737
00:27:12,289 --> 00:27:08,100
statements

738
00:27:14,049 --> 00:27:12,299
the dod wasn't saying that they approved

739
00:27:16,430 --> 00:27:14,059
of his statements or that they were true

740
00:27:17,690 --> 00:27:16,440
it just means that nothing in the

741
00:27:19,669 --> 00:27:17,700
statements that he intended to make

742
00:27:20,930 --> 00:27:19,679
publicly were a threat to National

743
00:27:22,610 --> 00:27:20,940
Security

744
00:27:24,649 --> 00:27:22,620
now this was a brilliant move on

745
00:27:27,350 --> 00:27:24,659
Russia's part because it forced the dod

746
00:27:29,690 --> 00:27:27,360
to make a tough choice they could choose

747
00:27:31,310 --> 00:27:29,700
not to clear his statements but in doing

748
00:27:32,510 --> 00:27:31,320
so they would have had to say that his

749
00:27:35,149 --> 00:27:32,520
statements were a threat to National

750
00:27:36,169 --> 00:27:35,159
Security if they're not true then how

751
00:27:38,750 --> 00:27:36,179
could they be a threat to National

752
00:27:40,490 --> 00:27:38,760
Security so the Pentagon instead chose

753
00:27:42,950 --> 00:27:40,500
to clear his statements which allows

754
00:27:45,110 --> 00:27:42,960
them to maintain plausible deniability

755
00:27:47,210 --> 00:27:45,120
but it also gives gresh the ability to

756
00:27:49,310 --> 00:27:47,220
speak openly about the allegations that

757
00:27:51,049 --> 00:27:49,320
he had cleared by them and for those

758
00:27:53,029 --> 00:27:51,059
that continue to Grumble the grush

759
00:27:54,950 --> 00:27:53,039
doesn't have first-hand information of

760
00:27:56,510 --> 00:27:54,960
these crash retrieval programs and was

761
00:27:58,970 --> 00:27:56,520
only told about them by intelligence

762
00:28:00,409 --> 00:27:58,980
officials who were in these programs I

763
00:28:02,450 --> 00:28:00,419
think it's important to point out that

764
00:28:04,610 --> 00:28:02,460
it's very likely that the only reason

765
00:28:06,590 --> 00:28:04,620
that this plan worked is exactly because

766
00:28:09,289 --> 00:28:06,600
grush wasn't claiming to have firsthand

767
00:28:11,510 --> 00:28:09,299
knowledge there is no mechanism by which

768
00:28:13,250 --> 00:28:11,520
members of special access programs can

769
00:28:14,510 --> 00:28:13,260
share classified information directly

770
00:28:17,269 --> 00:28:14,520
with the public

771
00:28:19,490 --> 00:28:17,279
but being one degree removed grush is

772
00:28:21,350 --> 00:28:19,500
able to say things that they can't

773
00:28:23,029 --> 00:28:21,360
what's going to be important to watch is

774
00:28:25,850 --> 00:28:23,039
how Congress and the public at large

775
00:28:27,710 --> 00:28:25,860
respond to grush after this hearing if

776
00:28:29,450 --> 00:28:27,720
he's taken seriously and if Congress

777
00:28:31,549 --> 00:28:29,460
continues to Signal their willingness to

778
00:28:33,529 --> 00:28:31,559
move in an aggressive and bipartisan

779
00:28:35,510 --> 00:28:33,539
manner to ensure greater transparency on

780
00:28:37,130 --> 00:28:35,520
this issue then hopefully the other

781
00:28:39,289 --> 00:28:37,140
whistleblowers will be more willing to

782
00:28:40,549 --> 00:28:39,299
come forward and one more thought on the

783
00:28:42,590 --> 00:28:40,559
whistleblowers

784
00:28:44,870 --> 00:28:42,600
even if they were willing to speak

785
00:28:46,669 --> 00:28:44,880
publicly in next week's hearing I can

786
00:28:48,529 --> 00:28:46,679
think of a couple really good reasons

787
00:28:49,789 --> 00:28:48,539
for why Congress might want to slow play

788
00:28:51,649 --> 00:28:49,799
that hand

789
00:28:53,510 --> 00:28:51,659
there's the most obvious point which is

790
00:28:55,490 --> 00:28:53,520
that if the whistleblowers were to all

791
00:28:57,529 --> 00:28:55,500
come forward next week but the American

792
00:28:59,269 --> 00:28:57,539
public still wasn't in a place where

793
00:29:01,010 --> 00:28:59,279
they were ready to hear it and the

794
00:29:03,110 --> 00:29:01,020
hearing didn't have the intended impact

795
00:29:04,370 --> 00:29:03,120
which I personally think would be a real

796
00:29:05,690 --> 00:29:04,380
possibility given the current

797
00:29:08,210 --> 00:29:05,700
environment

798
00:29:09,890 --> 00:29:08,220
then what the story would be buried

799
00:29:11,330 --> 00:29:09,900
within a couple of news cycles and it

800
00:29:13,370 --> 00:29:11,340
would be impossible to protect the

801
00:29:15,169 --> 00:29:13,380
whistleblowers and the likely result

802
00:29:16,190 --> 00:29:15,179
would be that this story gets buried

803
00:29:18,649 --> 00:29:16,200
again

804
00:29:20,630 --> 00:29:18,659
but beyond that risk there's also the

805
00:29:22,669 --> 00:29:20,640
reality that if members of Congress are

806
00:29:25,430 --> 00:29:22,679
investigating secret programs operating

807
00:29:27,110 --> 00:29:25,440
within the dod without oversight and we

808
00:29:29,450 --> 00:29:27,120
have every indication that this is being

809
00:29:31,070 --> 00:29:29,460
seriously investigated then they

810
00:29:32,990 --> 00:29:31,080
probably wouldn't want to put their key

811
00:29:35,269 --> 00:29:33,000
Witnesses on the stand to reveal what

812
00:29:37,010 --> 00:29:35,279
they know at least not until they are in

813
00:29:39,350 --> 00:29:37,020
a position to act

814
00:29:41,930 --> 00:29:39,360
so given all of this what can we expect

815
00:29:43,909 --> 00:29:41,940
from next week's hearings to be honest

816
00:29:45,769 --> 00:29:43,919
while I'm hoping that we'll get some new

817
00:29:47,750 --> 00:29:45,779
information and new evidence out of this

818
00:29:50,269 --> 00:29:47,760
process I'm not going to be holding my

819
00:29:53,090 --> 00:29:50,279
breath for it what I'm personally hoping

820
00:29:55,070 --> 00:29:53,100
to see are two things I want to see that

821
00:29:57,289 --> 00:29:55,080
all three of the Witnesses are able to

822
00:29:59,810 --> 00:29:57,299
give their full and explicit testimony

823
00:30:01,370 --> 00:29:59,820
about what they know to Congress and to

824
00:30:03,350 --> 00:30:01,380
the American people

825
00:30:05,990 --> 00:30:03,360
and I want to see that Congress is

826
00:30:07,669 --> 00:30:06,000
telegraphing strongly and clearly that

827
00:30:09,350 --> 00:30:07,679
they are taking this matter seriously

828
00:30:11,029 --> 00:30:09,360
and that they want to get to the bottom

829
00:30:13,190 --> 00:30:11,039
of why the whistleblowers that they've

830
00:30:14,210 --> 00:30:13,200
already heard from backed out of this

831
00:30:16,850 --> 00:30:14,220
hearing

832
00:30:19,490 --> 00:30:16,860
as much as I'm absolutely salivating for

833
00:30:21,470 --> 00:30:19,500
any shred of new information if Congress

834
00:30:23,570 --> 00:30:21,480
can just get those two things done in

835
00:30:25,070 --> 00:30:23,580
the hearing and if we get a new set of

836
00:30:27,529 --> 00:30:25,080
hearings scheduled for when Congress

837
00:30:30,110 --> 00:30:27,539
reconvenes in September I think we

838
00:30:32,450 --> 00:30:30,120
should consider it a win and I really

839
00:30:33,950 --> 00:30:32,460
hope that we get that win and I think

840
00:30:35,149 --> 00:30:33,960
it's important to remember what's at

841
00:30:37,190 --> 00:30:35,159
stake here

842
00:30:39,049 --> 00:30:37,200
this is not just about getting the

843
00:30:41,029 --> 00:30:39,059
government to admit to the reality of

844
00:30:43,370 --> 00:30:41,039
the UFO phenomenon or the presence of a

845
00:30:45,710 --> 00:30:43,380
non-human Intelligence on this planet

846
00:30:48,049 --> 00:30:45,720
frankly we don't need the government for

847
00:30:49,789 --> 00:30:48,059
that as anyone who has spent any amount

848
00:30:51,889 --> 00:30:49,799
of time studying this topic can tell you

849
00:30:54,889 --> 00:30:51,899
the evidence for these things is

850
00:30:56,570 --> 00:30:54,899
overwhelming it's all around us and you

851
00:30:59,570 --> 00:30:56,580
don't need anyone's help or permission

852
00:31:02,690 --> 00:30:59,580
to engage with this reality all you need

853
00:31:04,610 --> 00:31:02,700
is curiosity and an open mind try as

854
00:31:06,470 --> 00:31:04,620
they might the nature of our reality

855
00:31:08,149 --> 00:31:06,480
isn't something that the government can

856
00:31:11,090 --> 00:31:08,159
own or control

857
00:31:12,710 --> 00:31:11,100
but something bigger is at stake here if

858
00:31:14,510 --> 00:31:12,720
there is an element of our government

859
00:31:16,789 --> 00:31:14,520
that is in possession of advanced

860
00:31:18,470 --> 00:31:16,799
non-human technology that has the

861
00:31:20,990 --> 00:31:18,480
potential to give them an asymmetric

862
00:31:23,690 --> 00:31:21,000
technological advantage not just over

863
00:31:26,750 --> 00:31:23,700
our adversaries but over our own

864
00:31:29,029 --> 00:31:26,760
military and if this shadowy group is

865
00:31:30,710 --> 00:31:29,039
operating outside of constitutionally

866
00:31:32,990 --> 00:31:30,720
required oversight

867
00:31:34,789 --> 00:31:33,000
if they are threatening and intimidating

868
00:31:37,430 --> 00:31:34,799
members of our military and intelligence

869
00:31:39,049 --> 00:31:37,440
Community who try to come forward if

870
00:31:41,210 --> 00:31:39,059
they are shutting down inquiry

871
00:31:43,669 --> 00:31:41,220
investigation and even attempts at the

872
00:31:45,110 --> 00:31:43,679
most basic safety protocols in response

873
00:31:49,130 --> 00:31:45,120
to this reality

874
00:31:51,169 --> 00:31:49,140
then we are in big big trouble if this

875
00:31:53,210 --> 00:31:51,179
is true it's not just an existential

876
00:31:55,669 --> 00:31:53,220
threat to our country and our democracy

877
00:31:57,950 --> 00:31:55,679
it potentially means that our free and

878
00:32:01,490 --> 00:31:57,960
Democratic country is in a very real

879
00:32:04,190 --> 00:32:01,500
sense already lost to us because we the

880
00:32:07,730 --> 00:32:04,200
people are no longer in control and

881
00:32:09,470 --> 00:32:07,740
likely haven't been for nearly a century

882
00:32:11,870 --> 00:32:09,480
so what can we do

883
00:32:13,549 --> 00:32:11,880
first and foremost we can continue to

884
00:32:15,049 --> 00:32:13,559
contact our representatives in Congress

885
00:32:16,850 --> 00:32:15,059
to thank them for the work that they've

886
00:32:20,210 --> 00:32:16,860
done so far in moving this issue forward

887
00:32:21,769 --> 00:32:20,220
and to encourage them to do more at the

888
00:32:23,930 --> 00:32:21,779
end of the day these people are public

889
00:32:25,970 --> 00:32:23,940
servants but they are also politicians

890
00:32:27,889 --> 00:32:25,980
and if they're going to take up a

891
00:32:29,870 --> 00:32:27,899
potentially messy fight such as this one

892
00:32:32,450 --> 00:32:29,880
especially while heading into a

893
00:32:34,070 --> 00:32:32,460
contentious election cycle they need to

894
00:32:35,690 --> 00:32:34,080
know that they have the collective will

895
00:32:38,630 --> 00:32:35,700
and support of the American people

896
00:32:40,010 --> 00:32:38,640
behind them and that we expect them to

897
00:32:41,630 --> 00:32:40,020
do everything in their power to

898
00:32:43,190 --> 00:32:41,640
investigate this issue and to hold

899
00:32:45,409 --> 00:32:43,200
people accountable

900
00:32:47,090 --> 00:32:45,419
and the other thing that we can do is to

901
00:32:48,350 --> 00:32:47,100
talk to the people in our lives about

902
00:32:50,870 --> 00:32:48,360
this issue

903
00:32:52,789 --> 00:32:50,880
as we've discussed everything about the

904
00:32:54,769 --> 00:32:52,799
situation is riding on the American

905
00:32:57,049 --> 00:32:54,779
people beginning to wake up to the

906
00:32:59,450 --> 00:32:57,059
reality of the UFO phenomenon

907
00:33:01,490 --> 00:32:59,460
we need to have that breakthrough moment

908
00:33:03,230 --> 00:33:01,500
and we need to continue to push for it

909
00:33:05,450 --> 00:33:03,240
until we get there

910
00:33:07,549 --> 00:33:05,460
next week's hearings likely won't be

911
00:33:10,190 --> 00:33:07,559
that moment but it can be a major

912
00:33:12,409 --> 00:33:10,200
inflection point this thing is like a

913
00:33:14,330 --> 00:33:12,419
snowball rolling downhill public

914
00:33:17,210 --> 00:33:14,340
awareness of UFOs will likely happen

915
00:33:18,889 --> 00:33:17,220
slowly at first and then all at once and

916
00:33:20,750 --> 00:33:18,899
we can't know where we are in that

917
00:33:23,269 --> 00:33:20,760
process and how close we are to the

918
00:33:24,769 --> 00:33:23,279
Tipping Point until we get there so the

919
00:33:26,450 --> 00:33:24,779
best thing that we can do is just to

920
00:33:29,029 --> 00:33:26,460
keep talking about it

921
00:33:31,430 --> 00:33:29,039
now granted not everyone is ready for

922
00:33:34,009 --> 00:33:31,440
this conversation everyone's situation

923
00:33:35,570 --> 00:33:34,019
is unique some of you might have lots of

924
00:33:37,730 --> 00:33:35,580
people in your life that are open-minded

925
00:33:39,470 --> 00:33:37,740
enough to consider these ideas and some

926
00:33:41,930 --> 00:33:39,480
of you might wonder if there's anyone

927
00:33:44,690 --> 00:33:41,940
you can talk to at all and as important

928
00:33:46,250 --> 00:33:44,700
as this issue is if talking about it is

929
00:33:48,769 --> 00:33:46,260
going to alienate you from the people

930
00:33:50,269 --> 00:33:48,779
closest to you or God forbid cause you

931
00:33:52,310 --> 00:33:50,279
to lose your job or something like that

932
00:33:54,470 --> 00:33:52,320
then you should not feel guilty about

933
00:33:56,870 --> 00:33:54,480
keeping those thoughts to yourself

934
00:33:58,430 --> 00:33:56,880
but if you are in a position to talk to

935
00:34:00,830 --> 00:33:58,440
certain people in your life about this

936
00:34:03,529 --> 00:34:00,840
I'd encourage you to do so

937
00:34:05,690 --> 00:34:03,539
start slowly at first don't throw anyone

938
00:34:07,789 --> 00:34:05,700
into the deep end just start by feeling

939
00:34:09,409 --> 00:34:07,799
them out ask them if they've heard about

940
00:34:10,790 --> 00:34:09,419
the upcoming hearing or about the

941
00:34:13,490 --> 00:34:10,800
government's admission that the UFO

942
00:34:14,990 --> 00:34:13,500
phenomenon is real don't try to push the

943
00:34:18,290 --> 00:34:15,000
conversation where you want it to go

944
00:34:20,389 --> 00:34:18,300
instead follow their curiosity if they

945
00:34:21,889 --> 00:34:20,399
don't ask follow-up questions maybe just

946
00:34:24,649 --> 00:34:21,899
let it go for a while and come back to

947
00:34:26,450 --> 00:34:24,659
it but if they do ask questions then do

948
00:34:28,250 --> 00:34:26,460
your best to answer them clearly and

949
00:34:29,629 --> 00:34:28,260
directly while sticking to the facts as

950
00:34:31,609 --> 00:34:29,639
much as possible

951
00:34:34,190 --> 00:34:31,619
try to avoid the urge to tell them what

952
00:34:35,570 --> 00:34:34,200
it means and instead help them get to a

953
00:34:37,730 --> 00:34:35,580
place where they're asking themselves

954
00:34:39,409 --> 00:34:37,740
what it means and then point them in the

955
00:34:41,389 --> 00:34:39,419
direction of some resources that might

956
00:34:43,730 --> 00:34:41,399
be able to help them frame things

957
00:34:46,430 --> 00:34:43,740
if you get pushback do your best not to

958
00:34:48,230 --> 00:34:46,440
be defensive not everyone is ready to

959
00:34:50,089 --> 00:34:48,240
talk about this stuff and it can be easy

960
00:34:52,430 --> 00:34:50,099
to take someone's skepticism on this

961
00:34:54,169 --> 00:34:52,440
topic personally to take it as a

962
00:34:55,250 --> 00:34:54,179
judgment of your objectivity or

963
00:34:57,410 --> 00:34:55,260
intelligence

964
00:34:58,730 --> 00:34:57,420
trust me I know that when you bring up

965
00:35:00,109 --> 00:34:58,740
something like this to someone that you

966
00:35:02,930 --> 00:35:00,119
love and respect and they look at you

967
00:35:04,550 --> 00:35:02,940
like you're crazy it can sting but try

968
00:35:06,410 --> 00:35:04,560
to remember that everyone has their own

969
00:35:08,450 --> 00:35:06,420
Journey with this and that nothing about

970
00:35:10,730 --> 00:35:08,460
someone else's worldview is personal

971
00:35:12,890 --> 00:35:10,740
we're all just here trying to figure

972
00:35:14,270 --> 00:35:12,900
things out and if you do get some

973
00:35:16,069 --> 00:35:14,280
interest from the people that you talk

974
00:35:18,050 --> 00:35:16,079
to and are looking for resources to

975
00:35:20,569 --> 00:35:18,060
share with them please consider sharing

976
00:35:22,430 --> 00:35:20,579
the UFO rabbit hole and done my best to

977
00:35:24,470 --> 00:35:22,440
create resources that go deep on the

978
00:35:26,150 --> 00:35:24,480
current push for disclosure while also

979
00:35:28,730 --> 00:35:26,160
being accessible to people who don't

980
00:35:30,349 --> 00:35:28,740
have any background on this topic I have

981
00:35:32,030 --> 00:35:30,359
a bunch of relevant episodes linked up

982
00:35:34,310 --> 00:35:32,040
in the episode brief including the

983
00:35:36,109 --> 00:35:34,320
episode on David grush's allegations and

984
00:35:38,750 --> 00:35:36,119
part one of the disclosure Field Guide

985
00:35:40,190 --> 00:35:38,760
and of course the whole podcast is

986
00:35:41,930 --> 00:35:40,200
designed so that someone with no

987
00:35:43,910 --> 00:35:41,940
background on the topic can start on

988
00:35:46,370 --> 00:35:43,920
episode one and get up to speed with the

989
00:35:47,930 --> 00:35:46,380
most seasoned ufologists and if the

990
00:35:50,390 --> 00:35:47,940
people you're talking to aren't podcast

991
00:35:52,010 --> 00:35:50,400
people I'll also share a list of books

992
00:35:53,750 --> 00:35:52,020
in the episode brief that I recommend

993
00:35:54,950 --> 00:35:53,760
most often for people who are just

994
00:35:56,390 --> 00:35:54,960
getting started

995
00:35:59,270 --> 00:35:56,400
so that's where we'll leave it until

996
00:36:01,010 --> 00:35:59,280
next time this week promises to be one

997
00:36:03,410 --> 00:36:01,020
for the history books and I'll be doing

998
00:36:05,150 --> 00:36:03,420
my best to respond in real time if you

999
00:36:06,890 --> 00:36:05,160
want updates on all the latest make sure

1000
00:36:09,410 --> 00:36:06,900
to follow me on Twitter that's where I'm

1001
00:36:12,230 --> 00:36:09,420
usually the most active my handle is at

1002
00:36:13,730 --> 00:36:12,240
UFO underscore rabbit underscore whole

1003
00:36:22,160 --> 00:36:13,740
and you can find the link in the episode

1004
00:36:22,170 --> 00:36:38,870
[Music]

1005
00:36:38,880 --> 00:36:48,410
thank you

1006
00:36:52,190 --> 00:36:50,210
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